Sign of FCF when non-onerous vs onerous at initial recognition

edited February 2022 in CIA.IFRS17

Hi,

I'm quite confused about the sign of FCF in different situations:

From the reading we learned that if non-onerous at initial recognition, then:
FCF<0, representing a front end profit, and it will be offset by a CSM>0 (Actually I wonder if the FCF here means Premium - FCF, not just PV(liab) + RA, the latter is in the context of claims only if I don't misunderstand, otherwise wouldn't LRC always be 0?)

On the other hand, when onerous at initial recognition, an LC needs to be established to increase LRC ex. LC to FCF, does that mean FCF =0 here? If so, thinking about the quantitative test for onerousity, if FCF>LRC ex. LC then onerous, that's saying the LRC ex. LC is negative if onerous, which is contradictory to the bold from the text that losses are positive.

Could you please explain the inconsistency here? Is that because different IFRS 17 paper in the syllabus use different rules?

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